SPEAKER_00 0:00

If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was a cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to the Big Six O with Kaylee Harris and Guy Rollison. Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese?

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Well, welcome to the Big Six O. I'm Guy Rollison. And what we're looking at today is at what point do you officially become old? Is it an age? Is it the first time you turn up the radio in the car to reverse? Um, or is it the noise you make when you get out of a chair?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

The time you turn the car right hello everyone, I'm Kayleigh Harris. Turn the car radio up to reverse. What what was that?

SPEAKER_03 0:50

Don't you ever do that? What? Well you if you're concentrating on doing something in the car, you have to turn the radio down.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Oh, turn the radio off to reverse the sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

Yeah, not because it doesn't reverse if you don't have the radio, it's because you have to concentrate.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

If you're confusing the gear stick for the radio, then you really shouldn't be driving at all.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

My friend. Ladies and gentlemen, of course. It's my old friend, but a young lady who probably still gets asked, I do at clubs, Kaylee Harris.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

I make them ask me. Oh I pay them.

SPEAKER_03 1:24

No, she is wonderful and um, yeah, not nearly as old as I am, but um, you know, a lot of Botox does act for a woman sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

I've never had Botox. I can't believe you said that. And you're what, three weeks older than me? How many people get it?

SPEAKER_03 1:39

They just go down to the shopping centre and actually get Botox these days.

SPEAKER_01 1:43

That's fine, do whatever you want to do. But I don't like I've never passed.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

But it's true, isn't it? People do get Botox because, you know, there's this whole vanity thing. Yeah. Um, I understand that there's good medical reasons for having it, but just because you've got a couple of laugh lines or something, I don't I don't understand that.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

Look, I it's not something for me, but I don't begrudge anyone going and do it. Do whatever you like at your body, do what you want.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Oh, yeah, sure. I I don't judge. As long as you're a qualified person. I'm a I am a judgy person. I am a judgy person. But does that is that a signal that you feel like you're getting old, or is it is it something that says you are old, that you're getting Botox also?

SPEAKER_01 2:27

I think it is. Probably you're feeling your age a bit if you you're feeling you know you don't look like you did when you were younger and you're not happy about it. Maybe that's a sign that you're you know you you want to go and get Botox, maybe.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Because I I know I know I don't know any men that do it, but I know women in their early 30s same are getting Botox.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah, so or those pumped up lips, you know, where they're the might do their lips come into the room before they do. You know, they're just so pumped up, and it doesn't I again if you want to do that, that's fine, but I it just sometimes doesn't look natural.

SPEAKER_03 3:06

No, not at all. Maybe there's just smaller rooms these days. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Maybe they can pash better. That's why they do it.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

There's an old term. Does anyone use the term pash?

SPEAKER_01 3:18

I love pash. Me and Kate Sabrano love that term.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

What what in your world makes you old?

SPEAKER_01 3:25

When your back goes out more than you do.

SPEAKER_03 3:27

That's it's that's almost a cliche. That's a dad joke.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

No, I know, I know that was a very predictable dad joke. But I think it's when you start to make noises when you get out of the chair every time.

SPEAKER_03 3:42

Yeah, the right noises, not not because there's um yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Yeah, not because you farted or something, but that's a word I suppose. Yeah, thank you. Um when you get up and you go, oh, oh, and then those first few steps you take away from the lounge is like, oh, and then you're okay. Once you've moved a bit, you're alright.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

There's a day that must happen that we all wake up and there's a day that that must first happen, and you think, oh, I've just made the old man noise or the old lady noise.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

I know. Or or but what about if you can't touch your toes anymore? Like if you can't put your own socks on or clip your toenails.

unknown 4:16

Oh no.

SPEAKER_03 4:18

Oh, I can't remember the last time I touched my toes. Oh my god. Well, I can't remember a reason to do it either.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

But don't you clip them?

SPEAKER_03 4:25

Yeah, but I don't need to actually find out whether I can touch my toes. I mean you're just talking about, you know, like, okay, let's do star jumps and let's everyone touch their toes.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Like I don't know that But don't you like drive between your toes after the shower?

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Yeah, but you sort of bend your knees and everything. You don't sort of bend that.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Oh, I don't. I'm very proud to say that I stick my foot up on the vanity.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

Oh, do you? Oh maybe there is a bit of vanity going on. When when you text someone, do you use like I watch kids, you know, and they're typing faster than.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

I know, two hands.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Two hands?

SPEAKER_01 4:53

I can't do that.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

One finger?

SPEAKER_01 4:55

I get too confused, apart from the fact that yeah, my fingers are too fat. I get too confused if I was using two fingers. I've I still've got to use one.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Yeah, apparently that's a thing that if if you see, you know, an old person you know on the train or something, and they're doing that whole one finger sending a text, yeah, then you're officially officially old.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

And also if you're hellbent on doing punctuation and grammar in your text messages, you're old.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Yep.

unknown 5:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

I'd call it.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Because young people don't do that. They don't worry about spell check, they don't worry about punctuation grammar. No. It's only us that does that.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

No, that's it. And every everything is a short form of some just it's it's it's the modern day version of shorthand. I had to do shorthand as a journalist. Yeah. And so it's the modern day shorthand. Yeah. Um, can you imagine kids today even looking at shorthand, Pittman's shorthand, and thinking, wow, what hieroglyphics is that? Because most of them will use, as you say, don't use punctuation or or anything. Just Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Well, I don't think they teach shorthand to journos anymore, do they? Not in the digital age. Not anymore, I wouldn't. Could you still do it if you had to?

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Not if my life depended on it. I may as well be wearing, you know, uh going to Egypt and looking at the hieroglyphics. I mean, I probably wouldn't have used Pittman's for 20 years.

SPEAKER_04 6:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

So uh and everything was recorded, you know. So it's just one of those things. But definitely texting with one hand or one finger um is the modern day version of when I become a journo as well, when you used to have to learn to type and the old journos would use two fingers.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Two fingers, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

No, that's it, that's just a another incarnation. So one of the things I noticed is also, it only happened the other day. Apparently, you're officially old when you start printing out things like boarding passes or oh stop.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Yes. I was I was on a plane a week ago, and I actually I couldn't figure out how to get the boarding pass out of the phone, and I actually went up to the counter. I said, excuse me, can you please print these for me? And or at least show me she's going, it's easier if I just print it. No way, good, okay. Yep. Something about physically having it in your hand, isn't there? Like you just because I'm scared if I if I rely on the phone, even if I could find it, I'd get up to the top of the queue where everyone's queued up to get on board, and it wouldn't work.

unknown 7:11

No.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Something's happened, something's gone wrong, and I've got, you know, a hundred people behind me trying to get on the aircraft. I'd just rather have that solid hard copy.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

Now you you went to a concert on the weekend. Did you actually have a physical ticket or did you have it on your phone? A ticket?

SPEAKER_01 7:25

It was on my phone, but I went up to the counter. And I said, excuse me. Can you please print the tickets? And God love him, he did. But you know, uh, because I for for everyone who's um in this part of the world, you know James Rain. It was a James Rain concert, and we're also I was on the dance floor with a girlfriend and we're dancing around to all the stuff. And something else I realized about getting old was that all of us were in jeans and joggers. Now, there's no way you would have gone to a concert or you know, like something like that in jeans and joggers when when we were 18. It would have been high heels and mini skirts, stuff like that. But everyone, no one cared. We all had our comfortable shoes on.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

You had your homie pads on.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

I did, I had my homie pads on.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

Or your sketches, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

No, I'm not that flash. Um, but yeah, we were all just, you know, do you see people wander off halfway through a song for a toilet break?

SPEAKER_03 8:20

We went we went to a concert must be 18 months or more ago, and um it was uh a John Paul Young. Oh, yeah, great, and it was fantastic, it really was. Yeah, um, but it was there was probably about a dozen steps to go up, and only half the crowd were going up the steps, they're waiting for the lift. Um, some were in walkers, uh, and then that's just it's but it was just symptomatic of yeah, this is the crowd now.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

And the other thing was the James Rains concert started at 3:30 in the afternoon.

SPEAKER_03 8:55

Well, you needed to be back before dark and 207, it was fab.

SPEAKER_01 8:59

Did you have your pureed fruit for dinner as well? Oh no, that's a bridge too far. I'm not I'm not at that stage yet. The pureed fruit.

SPEAKER_03 9:05

But young people they they can't discern. I found I was at the gym oh a couple of years ago now, and young bloke came up to me and said, Oh, you look you look really good for your age, and I'm thinking, pumped up chest, how's this feel? And he said, What would you be, you know, in your 40s? And I thought, Oh, you've got no idea. Yeah, like you get past a certain age, and anything over 40, you might as well be 80. They just can't discern after a certain point.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

I don't think no, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

Yeah, there's no way I looked anything like my 40s. I looked well into my late 50s at that point, yeah. And these days, probably more into my late 70s, because I'm 80 so well. But I don't think kids uh have any idea. We did a bit of a bit of a survey and we asked sort of kids between the age of 13 and about 20. And some of the the the responses surprise me, um, including one kid who said, uh, yeah, my parents are really old, they're 47.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Oh.

unknown 10:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

Well, see, kid, if you think about it, a kid who's seven or eight thinks that old is fifteen or sixteen. And that just keeps shifting. The older that you get, it keeps shifting. So now that we're in our 60s, we don't think 60s is old. We think 70s, you're starting to maybe think about getting old, 80, okay, you're old, 90, you're very old. Yeah, yeah. It's sh it's moving as we age.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

It is shifting. And we're we're a lot more active than our parents and their parents beforehand because some of us are still playing sport actively, whereas back in the day, like your parents would probably be the coach or the manager or whatever. Um and there's some of us that are trying to still relive our glory days by playing sport and being in the doctor's surgery more often than not. After the sport. After you know, after three weeks of playing sport and not being able to get up and taking all week to recover.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

So that might be symptomatic of getting older too.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah. It's yeah, it's interesting, isn't it, when you talk to kids about what's old. And I I asked my daughter that I said, Do you think what do you think is old? And she just said, You mum.

SPEAKER_03 11:13

Thanks. Where's she living now?

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Yeah, not here anymore. Not at my house.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

One of the other things um one of the kids said is that um in the little survey that that we conducted was you know you're old because their Nan and Pop watch the news on TV and the weather. And that in the eyes of a 14-year-old makes you old because you get your news from the television and you wait for the weather to come on afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

To come on afterwards, otherwise we wouldn't have had a clue.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

No, we would never have known where to look for the news or weather outside of that. But in their eyes, their net in their pop, that's what they do. They religiously sit down at six at night or whatever time and and get their news of the day and their weather from the television.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_03 12:02

Yeah, it's these things, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 12:04

And I remember when uh my daughter was in primary school, she would have been about, I don't know, seven or eight or something, and she went on an excursion one day. I can't remember where it was to, but she came home and she said, Mum, and she she showed me she'd brought home a couple of one and two cent coins, and she said, Look, mum, ancient money from when you were a kid. And I was, how old did I feel? Ancient money? Ancient?

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Ancient money.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Does that that mean we're ancient?

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Well, I let's face it, you could buy chocolate bread at school for two cents a slice back when we were there. Yeah. The fact I remember that's a bit sad though.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

That is yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

Oh, you're talking about like kids that don't use grammar or any punctuation as well. Um I tend to sign off sometimes, not to my kids, but if I'm sending Kaylee a message, I will sometimes send off blah blah blah blah blah cheers, guy. And they look at me sideways and say, Dad.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

So what are what are you supposed to do? What do you what are they doing?

SPEAKER_03 13:07

If you if I'm in your contact list, you'll never know who it is from, so don't do it. I thought it was just a courtesy, but apparently it's redundant.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

So you don't put your name at the end of your No, no. Oh wow. Do you have to stop that?

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Yeah, and if you don't I guess I guess it matters if you're not in my contact list.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

But otherwise, I thought it was just a courtesy, but no.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

Yeah. Maybe not. Yeah, just a polite thing to do.

unknown 13:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

And that was that was something else. Apparently, you don't ring kids. I asked one of my kids you don't ring kids these days. You send them a text.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

And then you can can you follow up with a call?

SPEAKER_03 13:42

Well, it's not it's not the way things are done. Like, unless it's an The only reason that you would call apparently is if it's an absolute emergency. Otherwise, you just send a message.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Yeah, wow.

unknown 13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Something to be said about that though. There's something good about that. I know you're looking at me with furrowed brow, but I'm thinking that's no, that's not furrowed.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

That's that's your age. Yeah, that's my age.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

But um, if you don't if you want to just sort of check on somebody when you don't want to bother them and be a pain, you know, you just hey, just thinking of whatever, you just send them a text message rather than ring them up and put them on the spot. Does that make sense? Yeah. Although we were put on the spot our whole lives because there was no messages, right?

SPEAKER_03 14:24

That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

So hey, what are you doing Saturday night? And and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

I quite often send mates a text because I men are probably different than women anyway, because uh men's idea of conversation is how are you? Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

Yep. That's about it. How's the missus? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:42

Oh, what are you doing? Oh, nothing. Yeah, you know, that's about it. So you don't need a conversation for that. You need you know, six words in a text and that's about it. Yeah, but yeah, I didn't know that calling your kids or calling, you know, is not sort of regardable. Oh, under a certain age. I mean, I'm sure if I'm ringing you, I ring you for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

And one of the other times I felt old was um I was in the shopping centre and the there was a record store. And the fact that there was a record store makes me sound old. And in the bargain bin out the front for a dollar was the Top Gun soundtrack. Really? And I was mortified. And I picked it up and I walked into the store to the kid behind the counter who was 12, and I said, Young man, this cannot be in the one. Do you have any idea how big a movie this was in this soundtrack? And he just looked at me like, you stupid old woman. I bought it for a dollar and I rescued it because I felt really bad. And I've and that made me feel really old.

unknown 15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:42

Well, I've still got, don't judge me harshly on this. Oh, I will. Thank you. I've probably got maybe 150 or so albums still appear. Still. But I would hazard the guess five or six hundred singles. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Can you play them if you got a play?

SPEAKER_03 16:02

I used to have a jukebox where the singles would go in. Oh. And for anyone under the age of what's a jukebox. Um, and so they would, you know. But how funny is it to watch my grandkids? And yes, I've got a stereo, not a stereo gram, which was the three in one TV stereo and how good's that.

SPEAKER_01 16:22

But it was a whole piece of furniture.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

It was more than furniture, it was just but the kids look at it and the concept of just having one song on one side of a small black disc, and then you have to get up and turn it over.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

Is just foreign.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Like, what are you thinking? I'd love to have an old record player again.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

Oh, they're so much fun. Yeah, although that is a pain in the neck when you gotta keep taking it off and changing it, and then you accidentally scratch it with a needle and don't don't even think for a moment that whole old vinyl has more warmth to it than you know a digital reproduction. No, that's just crap. That's it. Yeah, that's just us trying to justify the fact that we didn't want to get them rid of our um, you know, full bore 1973 and you know, the hot tracks with the girl's mum on the cupboard. Oh, yeah, you know, yeah, 1978.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Ripper 76. That's it, yeah. You know where I'm going with that. I know where you're going with that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Um couple of things as well, and I'm gonna ask you whether you think these are old. I've got a couple of things here that the kids said that these are older kids that they said, uh, well, this is what makes you old. They listed, they listed. I'll just give you a couple. First one is you talk about interest rates or politics.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

Yep. Yeah, that's true. True. I concur. Okay. Or you talk about uh your health and all the medical tests you've you have to have all the time.

SPEAKER_03 17:45

Strangely enough, they didn't put that one on.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Oh, because that's what I as soon as I start doing that, that's the end for me, I think.

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Yeah, yeah. Discussing your lawn.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Oh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:57

Who cares? There's someone we both know.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

And I love him, but I have to because it's you. It's not me. Oh, it's not me. But loves his lawn. But how many people just talk about their lawn? Oh, I've done this with my lawn. I follow this guy on YouTube because you know he's got this amazing lawn.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

That's so true, isn't it? When you start when you when you get into gardening, I'm not at that point yet. Are you into gardening? I love my gardening. Oh god. I hate it.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Do you?

SPEAKER_01 18:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

You mustn't be old.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

I know.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Do you do you talk about how much houses used to cost?

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Yes. We all know, all of us, us collectively, know how much our parents paid for their first home, right? Like my parents, Brisbane, 1963, three and a half grand.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Yep, yep. I remember Epping, 1968. Yeah. And they paid, I think it was four thousand two hundred and three-bedroom.

SPEAKER_01 18:57

But how much did you pay for your first house?

SPEAKER_03 18:59

For our first house, we paid this is a test, isn't it? To see whether I'm actually, yeah, we paid a hundred and twenty-nine thousand nine hundred and fifty dollars.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

In what is now considered a prestige suburb?

SPEAKER_03 19:14

Not prestige.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

But sort of middle Australia.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Middle Australia. But yeah, the fact that I recall that and can tell you how much we actually sold it for sort of four years later.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:28

Um whereas kids today, of course, you know, they probably turned their nose up because chances of them actually owning a home.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

I know. Even getting into the market is just impossible. That's right. Yeah, my first time when I got married, we paid $250,000 for. And it sold recently for so this was probably 20 years ago, maybe 25. Uh sold recently for two million. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And I remember at the time we paid 250,000. I remember thinking, oh my gosh, that's so much money.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

It was though, wasn't it? I don't know what you remember how much you were earning, but I remember at the time, yeah. We used to have a once a week treat, and it used to be like fish and chips or whatever it was. But it used to cost us six dollars fifty or something. And now that I'm saying that out loud, yeah, I'm that guy, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Yep. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna go on with the list. Knowing what a fax machine is.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Oh yeah. Or worse, a telex machine. Oh, see, I've gone there.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

You went there.

SPEAKER_01 20:28

I went before the fax machine, there was a telex machine.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Well, they wouldn't have had any idea what a telex machine is.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yeah, I don't have any idea what a no kidding. I know what it is, but we didn't they were out, I think or on the way out when I first started working at 16.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Yeah, they they were. I was working at Channel 7 in Sydney. Yeah. And I was on if I was on a morning shift, you would have to check the telex machine because you'd get a lot of news that was coming in overnight. But no, it was it was on its way out. It was old tech, of course.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

Yeah, and it was really loud, remember? It just chewed through paper and it was super loud noise that made while it was printing.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

And and of course, not telex, but when you were getting married, it used to be a thing about getting a telegram. On your wedding day, and you know, oh from auntie, you're such and such, you know. Uh, congratulations on and it was like there'd be a knock at the door. There'd be 13 words you're allowed for so much money, and that was the telegram boy had come and knock on the door and yeah, yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and I'll give you one more. Yep. Reading product reviews before you sort of bought anything. And I don't know who that came from, but I reprint reviews.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Do you?

SPEAKER_03 21:40

But I don't it's not before I buy anything.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

I mean, if it's a big ticket item, I'll go through the how many stars a cancer or choice gave it. Yeah, wow. Um, so if it's a, you know, I don't know, whether it's a fridge or a something, I'll say, Oh, look at that, that's only got two stars. I'm gonna buy that.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Yeah. I guess if it's white goods and you want to know from an energy. Point of view, whether it's good value or not.

SPEAKER_03 22:03

Maybe we're on the same page with a lot of those, I think.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

Do you uh do you know any famous TikTokers while I'm at it?

SPEAKER_01 22:11

No.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Welcome to that club as well.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

I don't know anyone who's on TikTok. No. Maybe my kids are. I wouldn't have a clue. They wouldn't discuss it with me, but I've got a TikTok account. Have you? Oh, you're one step ahead of me then.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

No, I've got the account.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Have you never posted anything?

SPEAKER_03 22:29

It's like having a bank account but having a zero balance. Yeah. Like it there's no kudos in having it. It's just that I've oh I've got a TikTok account. Oh, great. You shouldn't. No, I don't sound young.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

I've got an Instagram account and I think I've got one follower, which is one of the kids. Oh. And I don't think I've ever posted anything on it. It's one of those things I keep going, oh maybe I shouldn't. Yeah, no, I can't be bothered.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

I'll have to start following you so you double your you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Yeah, I'll have two people.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

You'll be an influencer. Oh my god. You don't influence me, you're just as a bad influence, that's all.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Yeah, thank you. What else is on your list of sort of things?

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Well, I'm thinking um things that that are good about being old, not not necessarily bad. Like when we get older, we you care less about stuff. You care less about what people think of you, and I think that's fantastic. You just when you're young, you're just so worried about fitting in with a crowd and looking good and you know, anyone making fun of you. And when you get older, you just don't give a crap. Yeah, I I I think that's great about aging.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

I I had a uh conversation with a couple of mates only on the weekend, and they almost paraphrase that, you know, a few of them have retired, uh, a few of them are are still working, they said, Oh, I've got a couple of years. And I said, Oh, well, what what'll be the the the reason you actually give it away? Uh because I don't give a crap anymore.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

And they said, Right, okay. Well, that's a fair enough reason, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

Yeah. And you know something else is that when you um, you know, as you get older, um, you've got to contend with the enormous invisible volume of everything that you've ever done. Because if you think about it, when you're aged 20, you've lived so little that you can remember virtually all of it. But by the time you turn 60, you've forgotten entire holidays, you've forgotten all the books that you've read, you know, you've you've forgotten about arguments that you've had, um, you've forgotten a ton of people who would have been acquaintances and friends over the years who are no longer in that circle. And you just don't remember that stuff. Whereas when you're 20, you remember a lot of, and it's not because we don't care, it's just because we've had so many life experiences that you know, for your brain to try and any anything that's not sort of, you know, your brain, I think your brain is shedding a lot of that stuff so that because it's superfluous now to what you need as we get older, and now we're more focused on the immediate, like you know, kids, grandkids or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

You find yourself getting softer as you get older and understanding that you you aren't walking in everyone's shoes, and so you do need to be a little bit kinder to people or something. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Yeah, definitely, and living in the moment, definitely living in the moment a lot more than when you're younger, you know, your whole life is ahead of you, and you're thinking about the future and what's my future going to look like. But when you've been through all of that and the time ahead of you is less than the time that's behind you, you want to appreciate every moment and live it and enjoy it. So, and we should all live in the moment, you know, it's important to not take it for granted and to appreciate. You see, now I'm just sounding old.

SPEAKER_03 25:39

Yeah. I as a young young fellow, uh uh I remember m both my grandparents and both both grandfathers went to the the the war and they were both in the ninth division. Don't ask me why I remember those things, but you do, they're things that you remember. Um, and I remember they both had tattoos on their arms from you know, and that's something that you used to look at as a kid and think, my grandfather's got tattoos, but now everyone's got tattoos. Yeah, even the girls, you go and full sleeves and that whole thing. But just the fact that there were things I weren't I wasn't allowed to ask my grandfather. I always got told, Oh, don't ask Pop about this or that or something else. Um, and these days it seems nothing's off the agenda, you know. So everything from tattoos to just the social sort of um etiquettes that we had growing up, it's changed. And I'm not saying it's for the better or for the worse, but it's just the evolution of things. But hopefully that as we're getting older we at least get some of that respect and not just a bit of lip service like being kid standing up on the bus for you as I got down in Melbourne.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Did someone do that for you?

SPEAKER_03 26:54

On the tram.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

That hasn't happened to me yet. I'm waiting for it.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

On the tram.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Would you like my seat, sir? Firstly, I was affronted by the fact Did you punch him? I couldn't. He was 50. Um, a young tacker then. The fact that he called me sir. Oh wow. And also gave me his seat. I thought do I look like I need a seat? I must. Oh no. But I thought that's it's nice that they actually.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

It is that's the thing, and that's the conflict, is it is lovely because you've got some you've got a young person who's respecting that, respecting you, but it's also a bit of a slap in the face, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 27:28

It's a wake- a bit of a wake-up call that in your eyes you still see 17-year-old you.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Yeah, and when you see someone who you've when you're our age and you've seen someone that you've known for a long time, and you see them now, it's funny because your brain kind of sees a hybrid of what they looked like before and what they look like now. Whereas if you see a random old person in the street who you don't know, they just look really old.

SPEAKER_03 27:53

So it's not just me. If I see Kaylee, I still see Kaylee as I saw her. I mean, nothing wrong with my eyesight, maybe there is, but I still see her in my mind's eye as that girl that, you know, I knew, you know, whether it's 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Um but you're right, it is a hybrid.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

It's a hybrid thing in you because it doesn't match up the person with what your eyes see now, what your brain, you know, it's it's really interesting, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 28:22

It's and it's true, when you do see an old person in the street or at the shops, yeah, you invariably say to someone, oh, there's this old guy or there's this old lady down there, and you you find out that they're pretty much the same age as you.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Yeah, exactly the same age as you, but for some reason everybody else is older. Yeah, aren't they?

SPEAKER_03 28:39

You got any other good stuff.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Oh my gosh. Um it it's a I think a lot of young people think that it's hard to be happy when you're old. A lot of I think the perception with younger people, and not just kids, like even people in their 30s and 40s, is that you it must be really sad to be old. And it's not. Do you find that? Like you do you do you think that that they're starting, you you know, we're starting to get that point in our age where uh in our lives where um you know health becomes an issue and you've got to look after yourself and we're in our 60s now, and as I said before, m more of our life is behind us than in front of us. Uh, and doesn't that does that make you sad? It doesn't make me sad, it just makes me incredibly grateful.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Yeah, it it plays on my mind sometimes. I'm sure it plays on other people's minds. Yes, there is more behind us than there is in front of us, and you worry. I don't lay awake at night worrying about it, but there are days where you think, oh gosh, what do I need to do? What do I need to achieve? Where do I want to go? What hobbies or what do I need in my life to make that just a little bit more fulfilled? And invariably, yeah, there's new skills and things that I like to pick up and and whatnot. Um, but mostly it's friends and family. I I feel the need to reconnect with friends that that may be in the same boat as me and maybe going through that same lived experience. Uh so I don't whereas 20 years ago I may have found it hard to give someone a call or send someone a message if I was able to send someone a message and you had to do it with one finger. Then with one finger. Uh, but these days, because we've had the same lived experience and we are all in the same boat, then that's really important to me just because there's that sameness about Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:36

You feel part you feel they're your people. We're all going through the same thing. And you know, another another thing I've noticed as I've gotten older is my ambition has gone. And that's and some people would, I think younger people would see that as sad. I actually see it as fabulous. And I'm still working full-time, but I have, and I hope no one from work's listening to this. I have no desire to climb the corporate ladder. Absolutely none. I'm I'll stand at the bottom and hold it while the young people will rush up there. But I just want to go to work and do my job. Happy, I I love the I don't need to progress into a higher paying, more stressful role that, you know, sure it would pay more, but do I really I just don't want to strive for more, you know, ambition and high-powered jobs.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

And at the end of the day, yeah, it might be more money, more responsibility, and with more responsibility comes less time. And that's something that we don't have that we can devote to the universe to say, oh, I can give you more time in my life because I want a little bit more money, because what are we going to spend that money on rather than our time? Because I think our time is more valuable.

SPEAKER_01 31:45

Yeah, I mean, unless you need the money for day-to-day stuff, and so and you know, there's people that there are people that do, but I get that. And you know, another thing about people, old people do is um have the radio on for companionship.

unknown 31:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

We all know someone, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Yeah, look, that's that's sometimes me, believe it or not. Yeah. Where we're early of the morning, it might be just me at home, yep, um, for one reason or another. And just to have that noise in the background But see, I don't think it is companionship.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

I think it's because we grew up turning the radio on when we'd go out, or even at or even at home, and and listening to you know the top 40 countdown, and it was it was a companion back then, right? So I don't know that it's just an old people's thing, but it depends on the station, I suppose.

SPEAKER_03 32:34

It's true, and I know we used to turn the radio on, and there was Gary O'Callaghan and Sammy Sparrow on, you know, to UE, and that was what you woke up to every morning, and there's Captain Bristow landing, you know, the British Airways into Sydney, and just the fact that you can sort of look back at that 55, 60 years later and think and the 2SM days and 2 SM days, and that was one of the things that one of the kids put down in their little thing that you know that we don't know pop stars these days or or or those sort of things. So I thought, no, there is some comfort music, um, whether it's the 70s or 80s, even the 90s, um, and even going to a James Rain concert, perhaps. Yes. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 33:18

Thank you. Did you just throw me under the bus again?

SPEAKER_03 33:21

No, that yes, I did. Sorry about that. Hey, listen, what time do you need to be? Do you need to be home before the street lights are on or get the doors closed on the retirement village?

SPEAKER_01 33:29

Thank you. Yes, the latter.

SPEAKER_02 33:30

We better go.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Goodbye.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

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SPEAKER_03 33:57

Uh, and before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. Cayley Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. Our producer, Nick Abood, well, he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. So thanks for keeping us on track, Nick. Nick. Nick