SPEAKER_00 0:00

If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was a cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to the Big Six Toe with Kaylee Harris and Guy Rolliston. Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese?

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Well, hi everyone, and welcome to the Big 6-0 podcast. If you're joining us for the first time because you've had a milestone birthday recently, welcome. We're your people. And if you're a regular, thank you so much for your ongoing support. I'm Kayleigh Harrison, my co-host and primary school crush Guy Rollison joins me. G'day, guy.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

I'm here, I've turned up, I'm ready to go.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Well, it's an interesting one we're going to tackle today. So, this one we we're going to be talking about political correctness and its history, you know, terms that were commonly used in the 60s, 70s, and 80s that you you can't use today. And I want to preface this episode by saying that some of the politically incorrect terms that we will use in this episode today are just purely for demonstrating what people considered normal language once upon a time that would mortify people today. So we don't endorse any of these terms, but it's just uh putting them in context and and a factual look at what you know used to happen when when yeah, back in the day in the 60s, 70s and 80s with political correctness.

SPEAKER_03 1:30

Yeah, our to our toes would curl, wouldn't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:32

Like if Yeah, so I wanted to go sort of go back in a bit of history about um before the term political correctness was widely used, um, structural changes altered the way we spoke about and treated marginalized groups because when you think about it, most of the political correctness is around marginalized groups or races of people. Would that be fair enough?

SPEAKER_03 1:54

Yeah, I think it doesn't matter which part of the world or whether it's a religious group. We all tend to marginalize. And I don't know whether it's whether it's just something that we do particularly well or in an ugly vein in this country or not, but it's like giving people nicknames. It's something that we never ever thought second time about doing, is it?

SPEAKER_01 2:16

I think um all races um are uh not not racist, but they are um have views about other races and religions. We all have them as human, we're human, and we all have those beliefs about, you know, we grew up thinking Irish people were silly and all those sorts of things. And um, you know, different different groups of people think different things. And you know, I was married to a um a Lebanese man and they thought, you know, they had terms for Aussies, you know, called a skippies. So it's not uniquely a white Anglo-Saxon thing. I think it's common across it's a human thing. But you know, going back, the um let's go back, I just want to go back to 1973, the Whitland government formally dismantled the White Australia policy. And then in 1975, the Racial Discrimination Act made it unlawful to publicly insult or humiliate individuals based on their race. Uh, and then, you know, uh up until the from the 70s to the 90s, the states progressively decriminalized homosexuality and and all the talk around the LGBTQ plus community as well. So that's when it really started to come in. And I think, you know, I remember the 80s as being very politically incorrect. I kind of felt it start to change in the, you know, in the 90s, we became more aware of that. What are your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_03 3:40

When you look at the way broader society treated all those groups, I mean, I look at television, for example, and and I look at the you know the the gay community and you look at um are you being served? And you had Mr. Humphreys in that show, and he was stereotyped. Um, which which, you know, for the broader population, you know, not necessarily a good thing, but is it sort of uh a way of laughing at uh things that we're uncomfortable with? And of course it it probably offended a lot of people. And so many of those TV shows did marginalise particular groups, um whether it was, you know, uh being part of the great community, even things like Benny Hill, which if you look at reruns of those things today, don't hold up well.

SPEAKER_01 4:26

The way women were objectified in Benny Hill, I mean I loved it. I think Benny Hill's funny, and it was a it was funny at the time. Um, but it it we you just couldn't do that these days. Um all the you know double entendres that uh uh that he got away with at the time.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Yeah, and even shows like and and you look at them predominantly British, but Love Thy Neighbour, where you had had had the white guy and the black guy, and and and I think the humour in that came by the fact that we're laughing at the white guy because he just had no social tolerance whatsoever. Um, but when you look at Australian TV, you look at um Kingswood Country, and of course uh Ross Higgins's son-in-law being Italian, yeah, he was playing off human. This is something that was in the late 70s. So there's a l there was a lot of it, and of course, none of those shows hold up particularly well today for all the reasons you said.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

Yeah, but I don't think, you know, I I'm not in favor of rewriting history and pretending it didn't happen. Yeah, that cancel culture. I'm dead against that because if we don't if we don't learn from what happened before and from history, then how can we ever make it better?

SPEAKER_03 5:32

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

And and improve ourselves. You know, it happened, it it is, it was a those those shows were an example of what we were as a country at the time. And we've it's like um going back saying 300 years ago we used to burn women at the stake if we thought they were witches. Now we know that that's not right and that's not okay, but it happened. And you can't get away from the fact that it happened. But going back to, do you remember even when we were kids, going back to nursery rhymes that were politically incorrect? Like I'm the the one that jumps out at me is eeny meeny miny mo.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Oh. Catcher, oh, of course, n-word by the toe.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

Yeah. Of course. And we used to say, I mean, we can't even say the word anymore, it's the n-word, you know, and and and rightly so. But these days kids say, uh, catch a tiger by the toe.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

That's it. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Um, and it's it's you know, at that it's deeply offensive, and it goes back to it traces back to the to the US. Um, and it we just grew up with that stuff and didn't think it and chanted it. And like like Ring a Ring of Rosie making like sort of a children's rhyme around people dying of the plague.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

Well, it wasn't until a few a few months ago when I heard a couple of my well, one of my grandkids talk about barbar rainbow sheep. I guess that's right. Because that's what they sing at preschool now. And I'm thinking, my gosh, um I don't know how that has any connotation whatsoever, because having worked in a rural industry, there are black sheep, white sheep, coloured sheep, and you think, well, gosh, it's it's a nursery rhyme. Have we taken things too far?

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Well, I think I think we have taken things too far, particularly when it particularly with um Kuhn cheese, which is now known as Cheer, uh, because it was named Kuhn after the man who invented it, I think whatever his name was, John Kuhn, or it had nothing to do with any racism whatsoever. And when when companies are are doing that, I think that takes things too far. And I think people probably our generation believe that. You know, who's going to be offended by a cheese in someone's with someone's surname on it?

SPEAKER_03 7:46

That's right. Um, I remember Johnny Warren, for those who may be following sport in Australia, if you're listening here, um, he was a he was a groundbreaking sort of player as far as you know um the sport is concerned. When it was called soccer these days, it's called football, but he was constantly making references to the fact that when he was at school, he was taunted for playing soccer slash football because it was called wagball. And you think, my gosh, I mean, and that is something when I was mentioning Kingswood Country, it was on broadcast television, you know, every week, and it was just something that we used to say without any thought, second thoughts about it, right?

SPEAKER_01 8:26

And anybody our age who who were were the children of immigrants who came to this country from Greece and from Italy in the 1950s will tell those stories about growing up and being called names like Wag or Dago or whatever, those sorts of things. But um, and then and you know, along in the 80s comes the TV series Wogs Out of Work, where they're making light of it themselves and and that this is how it was growing up, you know, taking a falafel for lunch instead of a veggie mite sandwich. And I think that's what I love about the Australian sense of humor is that we we can recognize that that it's not correct to call people names, um, but we we can also hopefully have a laugh about it as well and in in in a respectful way, if if that makes sense. So um yeah. Now and going back to school, I don't understand this fully, but when we used to give each other Chinese burns, now I why was it a Chinese burn? And I looked it up and it said, you know, your friends would come up and do that, twist your skin in opposite directions on your arm. And it was widely perceived, I'm just reading this on Google, as racist and born from negative attitudes to Chinese and also Native American people. Um, the etymology is meant to refer to the historical, historically perceived brutal methods of torture used by Chinese people and Native American groups. I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_03 9:54

Did some seven-year-old come up with the concept that I think I'm gonna do this to your arm and this would be a great name because Yeah, let's call it a Chinese burn. But why is it a Chinese burn? I have no idea. That's a great question.

SPEAKER_01 10:07

Isn't that weird? Yeah, it's so so strange. And um, yeah, so it's and also Chinese whispers.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

So China like most people we we played Chinese whispers as a as a kid just for fun and involve so for people who don't know, I'm sure anyone listening to this would know what it is, but involves passing a message along a line of people and seeing how much it changes from the start to finish as it gets passed along. And according to Google, it's derived from dark origins evolving from a racist idea in the mid-20th century that Chinese people spoke in a way that was deliberately unintelligible.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

So, you know, when people have got a very thick Chinese accent, you might not be able to understand them, and that's where apparently Chinese whispers came from.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

Chinese community have given a lot to this country.

SPEAKER_01 10:55

They certainly have. And and I'm thinking Fantastic food, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 11:00

I'm thinking, where is all this come from? The Chinese burn ones got me really thinking though. Like I'm I remember getting them and giving them. Um, but yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Oh gosh, they hurt, didn't they? Oh, didn't they? Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goodness. So yeah, a lot of those things that we did growing up were um we're just we were innocent, I guess. Um and I saw in a a recent poll said that um roughly 88% of voters view political correctness as having gone too far. And I thought that's that's interesting. That's kind of makes sense, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 11:35

Is it the loudest voices are probably the minority? And so we uh we all tend to think that that's what everyone thinks, when in reality 90% of us agree that it's gone, you know, it it it's going in the right direction. But sometimes, you know, the bar bar rainbow shoot thing is yeah, that's really yeah, really like Well, I think it I think it's been politically weaponized too.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

In the last 20 years, I really think it's become a political issue.

SPEAKER_03 12:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:02

Political correctness. That's why that's hence the name, of course. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:06

I mean schools today, and I might be sort of going off track a little bit here, but the nicknames we used to give kids and some of the names we used to call kids as well. I don't know, you know, there was always that fatty boom bar that used to be at school. Yeah, it's a big one. And I'm thinking, yeah, and so we never gave any consideration to the mental health of kids, you know, and it's it's one thing to say, uh, you know, there's names that are based on, you know, your ethnic origin, but it's another thing to say that, you know, oh it builds character and toughness and resilience if you know going up through school, so now you can't do that sort of thing. But there are so many names that we used to be called, um, or you know, taunts.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Um, we had a simple Susan.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

Yeah, and and we called her that's what we called her, and yeah, we're horrified now, but Yeah, you don't want to be a Karen these days though, do you?

SPEAKER_01 12:59

No, nobody wants to be a Karen.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

No, and is that is that taking things too far? Is there going to be a class action by Karen's everywhere? Because that is the modern day we've taken things too far, and oh my gosh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 13:14

But bullying as well, and and um whether that's through uh your your ethnic background. I remember we had a we had a little girl at school, and I'm going back way back to infant school now. Uh and this is this is I'll give you two examples, sorry, and both involved Asian kids. Now, we had uh an Asian kid at school, and his name was Andrew Thomas. Sorry, Andrew, if you're listening.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Umrew.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

He's his his dad was the local doctor, okay. Now we had a an English kid whose name was Hugh Thomas. Now, one had an English accent. Andrew was born here, had you know, Aussie accent, but we we didn't treat them any differently because they told everyone that they were cousins. Oh well. Now, when you're seven and you're looking at these two kids and they say, Oh, we're cousins, you think, yeah, okay, your name's the same. That that works for me. Yeah, and so at that point even though they would look totally different, complete like you know, Hugh was a big look looking pale sort of kid, and Andrew was a shorter Asian-looking kid. Cousins, yep. Well, that makes sense. But we also had a girl come when we're about, you know, I think it was in year two, and she had uh polio. And I know that's yeah, she was in a wheelchair and had calipers. Um, and she came to the school, not a lot of English, um, and probably the second Asian kid I ever met, but she was a curiosity, and everyone wanted to be her friend. Um, whether that was because she had polio, because she was because she was different, maybe different. And so that is the flip side of the coin. That's lovely, isn't it? Yeah, isn't it? You know, that's a complete flip side. And is that just kids though? Is and and at some point do we become those people that think, oh, now we have to be politically correct? Because kids in the main, if you're another kid and you want to play or you know, great.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah, you don't even think about, you don't see the colour of their skin or or their surname or whatever, it's just uh yeah, you can play with us, or you know, no, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 15:16

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

Whatever. But even like some of the toys that we had, you know, my grandma made me a gollywog.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

Oh gosh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

And for if you don't know, for people don't know what gollywogs are, they they're sort of it's a um it's a stitched doll. Uh my grandma made had very black hair, white ri large white wim rimmed eyes, um big clown lips and wild frizzy hair, and and usually dressed in a jacket with striped pants and a bow tie, and usually sort of in red and yellow colours. So it was, I guess it looked was meant to look like a minstrel, would you say?

SPEAKER_03 15:50

Yeah, um, and and of course that black and white minstrel show was on television too. I don't know if you remember that probably.

SPEAKER_01 15:56

I do remember the black and white minstrel show, and that oh my gosh, that'd be mortifying now if if you could even see any episodes of it anywhere. But that was, yeah, and gollywogs were and there was gollywog biscuits.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

They had to be taken off the shelves.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

They had to be taken off the shelves, but I'm but you know, I loved this doll because you know, not because it was a black minstrel doll, but because my grandma made it.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

That was and it was a present from grandma.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Yeah, yeah. And I could never well, I could understand the Gollywog biscuits being taken off the shelves because that was almost that awakening for me to thinking, oh my gosh, this is now coming into the greater part of you know society as far as retailers thinking, we need to do this because, and I think, where do you draw the line? Where does it stop? At what point? Because you can almost take just about anything and weaponize it, can't you?

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

Yeah, so and Coon Cheese was that example where even in spite of the facts behind what was, you know, uh essentially just the the name of the guy that developed the process or whatever it was for the cheese slices, that no, no, it's offensive. Um I'm wondering how how many people were offended by it, but by amplifying that message, all of a sudden it makes it worse.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

It makes it brings it to everyone's attention, and then we all get outraged and morally outraged again because of sliced cheese. Really?

SPEAKER_03 17:15

Yeah, yeah, really, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

I mean, I I don't condone the use of the word coon in any way, shape, or form, but it was a cheese.

unknown 17:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:25

It was nothing more than the man's name who and anyway, anyway.

SPEAKER_03 17:28

Yeah, I know. I I I think we've just gone way, way too far. But there there are other things as well that were just I know whether they were politically incorrect, but in the workplace as well, things like I know when I first started uh a particular job in the early 80s, uh secretaries were expected to make the tea and the coffee.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Oh, that was me.

SPEAKER_03 17:53

Yeah, oh really? You were you were the best.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Yeah, I had to make tea and coffee for the boss, and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

Yeah, um, and how many people would go to the butcher and you'd always get the butcher, hey Darl, what can I do for you? Um, you know, so you would get offended by that. No, and yet I I don't know whether you hear butcher saying, uh yeah, thanks, love. And uh uh sweetheart, can you uh and I'm thinking, do you do you hear that anymore?

SPEAKER_01 18:17

I don't know. Yeah, I think I think a lot of people are sort of, you know, yeah, do get offended by those endearing terms that we used people would because you know, you can I guess you guys can say mate, but you know, hey Dale, hey sweetie, hey love. I I couldn't there are so many more important things in life to be angry about injustices in the world than someone calling me that. I couldn't care less.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Well, I remember oh, we're going back ten years or so ago, and I was walking into a gym. I was just walking into a gym and there was a lady coming the other way, and as you do, because it's just manners. If you're walking, you just hold the door. Open the door, she ripped into me. She absolutely ripped and she said, How dare you? And I thought, what?

SPEAKER_01 19:04

You're kidding me.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Don't don't you think I'm capable of opening a door by myself? And I'm thinking, Oh, look, you're not having a good day. Because if that's a if that's a feminist sort of slur, it uh there's gonna be a lot of other things in your life. There's gonna be a lot of other things in your life that you know are see that's common, that's manners to me.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Yeah, yeah. That is manners. Because I mean I open the door for men, you know. If if he happens, if you you know, if someone's coming in behind me, I'll hold the door out. I don't care what sex you are. It's it's politeness, it's that's right, you know, respectful. It's not it's nothing to do with your sex.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

And is that one of those five percent of voices that that scream from the rooftops and all of a sudden we tend to think that it's 95% of the population?

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

Yeah. Um, did you I shouldn't ask you this because do you remember a time, probably in the workforce as well, where if a woman was being th they were always asked whether they plan on having children in in future or whatever. You were?

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Yes, yeah, I was. And I remember going for, I think when I was 16 or 17, I wanted to get a car, 17, 18, something like that, um, in the early 80s. And I the yeah, the bank manager back in the day when you would go and front up in your best clothes with an for an appointment with the bank manager, and he said, Do you plan on having children soon and you know leaving work because you won't be able to pay this loan off? And I'm my boss at the time had you know spoke to the bank manager and said, It's okay, you know, she's she's a good worker and we'll, you know, we'll and and I they gave me the loan, they gave me a loan for like you know, three grand or something. But I mean that's mortifying now when you think about it.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

I know. Like I we were talking about this the other day and some of the things that you just simply can't ask in a job interview anymore. Um, but that was that was on top of the list. That was on top of the list.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:59

Did um it wasn't that long ago when well it probably is now, it's probably about 40 years when they brought in the booze bus. But do you remember like drink driving used to be socially acceptable? It's always, oh look, I'll just have one for the road.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I'll just you know everyone did it. Everyone did it, yeah. And we were all so mortified when it came in, and then the the the police had the power to pull us over randomly, even if we weren't uh, you know, driving oddly and breath test us. Remember, we were all mortal and and now we thank God that that it's there.

SPEAKER_03 21:29

Yeah, like and and I know I'll go back, I'll go back to TV. Some of the old ads as well that were just I mean, these days they tend to make men look dumb, which is probably not far off the mark for the most part. Um you're being politically incorrect. I know, and that's something I probably should bring up. I'm going off topic here, but if you make fun of you know, your own gender or your own ethnicity, um that's supposedly okay. Um Most cases. So, like if uh I remember months ago someone said, Oh, you're not allowed to tell Irish jokes because you know anything. But if an Irishman tells an Irish joke, is that okay? Same joke, same joke, um but it's the same context. But does that does that does that work? I don't know. I don't know where the rules are.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

None of us know where the rules are, and when you think it we bring it back to, you know, Indigenous Australians, and you know, we can't you can't call them um black fella, and yet um you know, black uh Indigenous Australians can call us white fellas. And I'm not sure how that balances like how does that work, you know, and that when all of a sudden a colour becomes offensive, the word black in any way, shape, or form becomes offensive when it's you know, I guess it depends on how you put it in the sentence, but it's um it can be confusing. I mean, I I'm I'm a middle-aged white woman and I always I'm always making jokes about it being a middle-aged white woman. And and you know, am I a Karen? Am I uh living in you know middle class Australia and and um doing all the things that we all laugh about with middle-aged white women?

SPEAKER_03 23:11

Yeah. But remember there was a a time when they wanted to do things like um change the word manhole to something else because it had the man, you know, man involved. Yeah, and and you can't be a chairman of everyone's a chairperson these days. That's right. Um and I was always I always thought chairman was like the chair manager, the manage the manager of the the chair, and uh rather than actually a man. Um so there's all those sort of things. I think if for those living in Sydney, there was there's been multiple pushes to change the name of the suburb Blacktown.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Um, I just you know, does white city tennis courts have to be changed as well? Um I don't know. Um White Bay container terminal. Do we need to change that name? Yeah. Um, and at what point do we just say, oh, we've just gone way too far?

SPEAKER_01 24:00

Yeah, there's no spokesman or spokeswoman that's spokespersons, and um, it's just yeah, I think we've sometimes we've we've gone a bit too far with that sort of and actors, they're not actors and actresses anymore. Everyone's an actor.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

I I do I do make that mistake quite often, but then you'll hear, you know, on tonight shows where you'll hear an actor slash actress refer to themselves as an actor or actress, and I think, have any lines actually been officially drawn? I don't know. Uh even back into the the bad old days where sport and things like cigarette advertising and sex as beer ads and like the diet coke ads and all where, you know, you would have Elle McPherson walking up the beach because it was, you know, the you got the the slim-looking girl who's drinking the tab, and then you got the the angry girlfriend, you know, kicking Sandy in the face or the boyfriend because he's ogling at Elle McPherson. I'd think, oh, it the ants pants ad where the ants are crawling up the legs of the store wearing the undies. I'm thinking there's a lot, and you just don't see it, or do you?

SPEAKER_01 25:01

I don't know. Uh no, you don't see it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 25:04

Don't see it anymore.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

No, and but I remember there was a there was an episode of Little House on the Prairie where they used and what Michael Landon, who was the dad, obviously, said in one of those episodes, the only good Indian is a dead Indian. Oh in one of the and that was like at the time, no one we didn't you know no one said anything. No, and obviously that's offensive. That's hugely offensive. But that was the language that was being used uh in those sorts of things. And and what about, you know, Dr. Zeus? We grew up with that, ongoing discussions about uh minstrel shows and the cat and the hat and all those sorts of things that were uh were used in Doc's Dr. Zeus. Um in Peter Pan, in the movie Peter Pan by JM Barry, the Neverland tribe of native Native Americans is just uh uh depicted as highly offensive cartoonish stereotypes. And it's and even even Willie Wonka, the Umpalumpas, you know, were portrayed as enslaved African pygmies. I mean, like these things, we just grew up with this thing, and it didn't I didn't think any less of, you know, um uh people with uh shorter people, I didn't think anything less of them, I didn't think anything less of Indian people in Little House on the Prairie. And it was just it was the language that was used. And yes, it's offensive, of course it is, but we know that now.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Yeah. Um you look at you look at naughty and big ears. Yeah, now we all know like outrage, let's get the books off the shelves because we know what's going on between naughty and big ears, don't we? And I'm thinking, oh my goodness, and then the flower pot people on television, well, we know that little was going on there. Oh, little weed. Little weed. I think there was a little weed apparently going on there for some reason. But if you need to look any further, for those that may remember the TV show HR Puff and stuff, I don't know what they were on when they were actually writing those shows, but I think I think there was inference of something there because Wichie Pooh.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Oh Wichie Pooh and and the flute, the magic flute. I mean, that was that flute was definitely part of the LGBTH plus.

SPEAKER_03 27:23

I think there was a lot going on.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's funny, isn't it? It's funny, but and as I said, like a lot of you know, and in no way, shape or form are we endorsing any of these terms as uh as as being okay. They were not okay, but they were the language at the time. And thank goodness we've moved forward now that we don't use that language and we recognize it and we've all moved on and and treat people, hopefully treating everybody with the same amount of respect and not judging people based on their sexual preference or their or their religion or their race. Hopefully we don't do that anymore. Yeah, but but all that political stuff, it was what it was.

SPEAKER_03 28:05

Yeah. I I just want to finish up on this, and I'm interesting to know what you think of it. But I know there's your Cleos and your Playboys, because you'd you'd have your uh your Cleo Centifold. But I mean you used to have the page three girls on the in the daily papers as well.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah, in a bikini wearing hardly anything, and then thank goodness Cleo came out with the Jack Thompson Centifold.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Um, and I I thought that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 28:33

I thought that was so you know classic 70s to have a um a man in a centerfold of a magazine when you after all these years of Playboy and penthouse and so who takes still who takes the moral high ground there? Like, do you say, okay, well, because you're doing it, we can do it. I just don't know where to go with that. There is no moral high ground sometimes, particularly if you decide to throw the second punch, because that's sometimes worse, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 28:58

Yeah, that's right. Exactly. Yeah, it's been an interesting podcast today, hasn't it? We've explored a lot of um a lot of our growing up years and and yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

And once again, we've only just scratched the surface.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

Yeah, okay. Well, you better go and get bet your Jack Thompson issue, which I know you've kept in the cupboard somewhere. Absolutely, I have.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

My word, it's it's yes, and you've got your Playboy somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

Uh yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:22

Bye.

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Yeah, okay, see ya.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

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SPEAKER_03 29:50

Oh, and before we go, let's give credit where credit is due. Kayleigh Harris and I came up with all the genius content for this week's episode. Our producer, Nick Abood. Well, he keeps the lights on and makes sure we don't accidentally upload a cat video instead of a podcast. So thanks for keeping us on track, Nick. Nick. Nick!