If you're old enough to remember when phones had cords and the only thing that went viral was the cold, then you're in the right place. Welcome to the Big Six Toe with Kaylee Harris and Guy Rowlison. Because who better to discuss life's second act than two people who still think mature is a type of cheese? Well, hello and welcome to the Big Six O. I'm Guy Rollison. And sitting alongside me, well virtually at least, is the woman who's legally obliged to laugh at at least 10% of my material today, the hugely wonderful Kaylee Harris. And there's your 10% right there. How are you? I'm good, my friend. How are you? Oh, look, I'm doing okay for an old fella. Is that the right way of the stuff? Yes, old fellas. Oh no, I know. Now, they say home is where the heart is. But if you grew up in a certain era like we did, it was also filled full of design choices that sort of defied human logic. And I'm talking about things that made total sense to probably our parents, but left us scratching our heads just a little bit. Would that be right? Absolutely. And and it it only came in three colours, brown, orange, and uh green. Oh yes. Oh yes, yes. They were the colours of the 70s, and and we had all of them in our place, I'm telling you right. Oh, we did too. Yeah. I mean, did you have wood panelling in your house? We had wood panelling, and who thought that was a good idea? That's ugly as when you look at it now. There was there and there was a lot of wood panelling, and it wasn't just the walls. Your your TV or your stereo came in a wood panelling box. Oh, yeah. Look at that was a style item. I don't know whether it was supposed to be a very Nordic forest sort of vibe. Yeah. You had every colour under the rainbow available to you, but it seemed that every house in the 70s had wood panelling somewhere. Yeah, and I think you're right. I think it was to do with, you know, taking us back to the Grizzly Adams days and the the raw nature, you know, sort of idea. A natural was it was meant to look natural, but it looked anything but yeah. I remember we had it, it was all up and down the hallway and it was put on there to stay. Like there was the pyramids and there was this wood paneling. It was just, it was never coming off. Well, if you couldn't afford the wood panelling, you had the you know, orange, very loud patterned wallpaper. Nice. Nice. I mean, I couldn't even tell you where to go these days to buy wallpaper. Does anyone is it did it ever come back? Of course it came back. Oh, did it? You've been at my house. You've seen my other than you. Oh, sorry, sorry. So marketplace isn't this uh a retail outlet these days, aren't we? Oh, okay, okay. But the big patterned wallpaper that was orange or green and it had or brown or and it had like big circles or squares or a combination of both. Really loud. Yeah, yeah. When you walked into it, it took over the whole room. It complemented probably your mother's sort of knee-hide boots that she would have worn on the mini skirt back then. Oh my god, but that's a different episode. Yeah, okay, right, good. But yeah, but I yeah, I I remember that we I think in our first house uh we actually had some of that, but we also had some velvet wallpaper in the bathroom as well. Velvet wallpaper! Oh my goodness, I'd forgotten all about that. And it was it was quite often in the deep blue or purple, wasn't it? Made a lot of sense. Made to look very dark and moody and yeah, very tactile when you particularly from the bathroom or bedroom, you think I just need to feel the walls now for a bit about that at all. No, I think I'd need to move on. But bathrooms. Did you ever have carpet in your bathroom? Oh my goodness. No, we didn't have carpet, but we had uh a fluffy rug, fluffy uh shower mat, and a fluffy toilet cover. Toilet seat cover. Toilet seat covers. Because it's almost like having carpet in your bathroom, wasn't it? Oh, the fluffy toilet seat cover. Yeah. You'd have the matching mat underneath, wouldn't you? Absolutely. You'd have the f matching mat underneath, and nothing speaks, you know, catching germs and disease like a furry toilet seat cover. Ew. Oh look, I understand the mat because everyone had like the tiled bathrooms if their house was built in the 50s and 60s, and you needed to keep your feet warm while you're you know, uh but I don't understand Yeah, I don't understand the the the matching toilet seat cover though. Like I don't know that you needed to keep any part of that warm. Well, you wouldn't be sitting on that generally, would you? No, with the lift down. Good point, good point. Yeah, uh something that I know my mum had, and we had it in our home till oh the late 70s, was that like it was a crochet toilet roll doll that used to keep the toilet roll. Oh goodness, I'd forgotten about that. Yes. Yeah, it was someone would crochet, yeah, it would be a doll and it would have a like a crocheted dress almost that would sit over the top of the toilet roll. Crochet a a lot of it uh, you know, appliances like teapots and things like that, didn't we? Yeah, that the tissue boxes. Tissue boxes, yeah. What to keep the tissues warm? What was No, no, something something altogether different. Keeping the tea warm, I get it. But yeah, yeah, but the dolly, the little dolly, because that was a subtle way to make sure that your guests didn't see the the the the toilet roll. Yet it just spoke Come and look at me, because there's a toilet roll I think. Because there's a doll sitting on the loo, yeah. Yeah, so that's right. Oh I don't even know what happened to ours, but I think I wish I had that'll come back. Oh, I'm sure it will. That'll come back. Yeah. I'm gonna make sure it comes back. Speaking of of those designs and and homes and things like that, did you have in one of your homes growing up a sunken lounge room? Oh they were a thing? Not growing up, we weren't that rich. Oh you'd go down a few stairs and you'd sit I I don't know what was what was behind the uh the thinking behind a sunken lounge room. Well, the only reason we would have had it because the piers on the house would have actually collapsed. That's the only reason we would have had a sunken lounge at our place. I don't know whether it's a it I remember the Dick Van Dyke show, they used to have a sunken lounge. He used to come in out of the front door and come down and come back. And it was very cool. Yeah, he used to trip down the stairs on the episode. Yeah, um I don't know. It must have been a very I think it was a rich people's thing though, because it was probably we didn't have it, but I remember seeing it on some TV shows, as you said, and you'd think, wow, that's really cool. I remember we we went to a uh girl's house at school. This is in primary school, and they had the good room, the good lounge. Like not I'm not talking about the lounge lounge, although that's another thing. But they had a room where that was the good room, and you weren't allowed to sort of Yeah, well that's where the visitors went. Yes When when someone came to the door to sell you the Encyclopedia Britannica, parents would take them into that front lounge room that was the formal lounge room. It had like the the formal chair. No you couldn't go in there and sit on them at any other time because you'd be in the you know crappy ones out the back where the TV was. That's it, yeah. But the formal lounge room didn't usually have a television, it just had chairs and a nice coffee table, and and what a waste of space that was. I got in trouble severely. A friend and I got in trouble severely. We might have been seven, we went around to this girl's house, and they had a piano. A rich people had a piano. Yeah, and it was in the good room, yeah, and I think we had a banana or something like that, and we took we didn't know. Mum, the mum gave us a banana. Well, talk about it, it ripped another hole. I mean, all of a sudden, that is the good room with the good carpet and the piano. You kids get out of here, and I thought with your banana? With your banana. Um it's not like we were tinkling the ivories or anything like that. We just walked in and thought, oh look a piano, we'd never seen one before. Yeah. Um, but that was the that was the good room, and they probably had the good lounge where the plastic people put plastic on their lounges to keep them, you know, it's like to yeah, to keep them clean. Yes. Yeah, and then you know, come summer Yep, the backs of your legs had stick to the plastic. Oh my god, and didn't that hurt? Oh what was with that? I don't know. I mean, it's like having the vinyl chairs in your kitchen, you know, because that was a great idea in Australia, wasn't it? Having vinyl chairs in the kitchen. Vinyl chairs, yeah. In in summer you'd stick to it and whatever. In the winter time, you're probably walking around the house with the chair still stuck to you because it's frozen to your butt. That's right. I don't know. I mean, we had them, but and everyone else probably had them, but that's uh And everyone had a brown or an orange lounge. Actually, we had a green lounge when I was a teenager growing up. We I I don't know why my parents thought that was a great idea, but we had a big double green lounge. And it was, you know, the coolest thing at the time, but when you think about it now, do you reckon those things will ever come back? Do you reckon brown lounges well brown lounges kind of still see them, but it was for its time though, like burnt orange um browns, those greens, um, all those sort of things. Whether you're a painting, you're guttering in that colour or you had your lounge. I mean, it was just it was it was just what it was. And there were burnt orange lamps in every room. Remember burnt orange lamp, that was a thing. Nothing in a lot in a lot of style like a burnt orange lamp. Well, that's right. Yeah, and and what about shag carpets? Oh rich people again. We never had the shag carpet. Well, do you remember we're growing up, we didn't have we just had floorboards and and then you know, it in the 70s, mid to late 70s, and and carpet started to come in, you know, shag carpet and then normal carpet. Um, and we I remember thinking if we could afford carpet, we must have been really rich. And we were we we didn't own the house, we were renting the house at the time. But I'm but do you remember carpet used to be something rich people had? And now, how many years on, 50 years later, people are pulling up their carpet because of the issues with uh dust and everything and putting and going back to raw floorboards. Mm-hmm. Yep, yep, a hundred percent. Although if I had shared carpet in my place now, I'd be keeping that every day of the week. Really? Ever no, no, not at all. Absolutely not, I wouldn't be keeping it. But it was a thing, and it was so much fun. I don't know how long it lasted though, because it had flattened pretty quick, wouldn't it? I think it probably lasted about 10 years, mid-70s to mid-80s, maybe, and then started to disappear. I think and and talking about shag carpet or things along those lines, waterbeds. Did you never had one? Um, I think I dated a bloke once that had one, and and um it was it so much fun to jump up and down on. It was just like not not not safe, probably, but it was just the the movement was so unique of the water moving around. It just made you want to made me want to treat it like a trampoline. I don't want to ask the question if that's why you dated this bloke because you think he had a waterbed so you could jump up and down on it. I don't yes, well, I don't think that I didn't date him very long, obviously. That didn't go down too well, but yeah, waterbeds. What was with waterbeds? Great idea at the time, wasn't it? Because you you could take your seasickness pills while you're asleep and just have that whole rock and motion. No, you're kidding me. Kidding me, your parents didn't have one or anything. No, they but so many people did, and I don't know whether it was the Emperor's New Clothes sort of thing, where you know, if you had one and you thought, oh my gosh, this is a big mistake, but we need to tell everyone that it's really good because what do you do with them? Like they probably they did they spring leaks? I guess they're sure they would have sprung licks. How did you heat them? Like the was the water wasn't heated, was it? I don't know. Maybe it that was the upmarket version that you got the heater because otherwise it'd be horribly cold. Oh yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I don't know. And did you just put the garden hose from through the window to fill it up? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well that's exactly right. Oh my goodness, water beds, I'd forgotten all about that. Don't worry, but did you have spades as well? What are splits? Split Oh my god, one where have you been? Spla the the n the knife that is the fork that is the spoon. So yes, yes. Did you no, we weren't that fancy. Oh we had we had spades. They were great. Why have a knife, a fork, and a spoon in your cutlery drawer? We can just have one utensil. Yeah, and that that they'd come in a velvet line sort of box as well, because that's what we're doing. Oh my goodness. Yeah, no, we had we had cutlery that came in a velvet box that was like a wedding gift from somebody, and you should the crap stuff that uh the bone knives and those sorts of things that we used every day. And of course, there was the good cutlery set and the good dinner set that people had that would only come out when you know Dad's boss came around for dinner. Was that in the formal dining room as well? That's right. Yeah, the room that you didn't use at any other time except when the boss or Christmas. How stupid is that to have two sets of and and all of a sudden you think, hang on a minute, I am I am good enough to have the good stuff. Yeah. The good cutlery and the good plates. We've still got a box of the good cutlery. No way. Does it ever come out? At Christmas time. Oh, why don't you just get it out every day? It's worth it, you're worth it. Yeah, no, I'd I'd get I'd get third-degree radiation burns from it. It's this gold-looking thing that I I think my nan gave me as a wedding gift. Yeah. And it's like gold with silver, and like, oh, I think I'd just I'd need sunglasses. So we get it out at Christmas time. Maybe it's to pay homage to our forebird and this is, you know, this is this is what she gave us. And so we remember it then. I don't think that's really how it started. Because it started as when the good box of cutlery that comes out. That's right. Oh my goodness. What about coloured appliances? You know, when your um jug was orange or your toaster was green, those sorts of things, or yeah, we had a toaster that was like a green toast with orange motifs on the front of it. Oh, very, very fancy. Yes, it was from Walton's, it was a celestial. I remember it well. It was a celestial model from Waltons, and it was classy. Walton's. Yeah, classy. Very, very classy, yeah. Because stainless steel was just so was too pov. Oh, yeah. And and and the group, and now everything's stainless steel. You've got to buy the $40 spray on stuff to clean your stainless steel for all the povs out there that have actually is that derogatory? Do you even call it a kettle now? I'm sure it has a different name. But I remember one thing my mum got right into. Do you remember in the 70s when copper art was a thing? And I don't mean the store, I mean um artwork that was made of copper, and it was made into pictures and all sorts of different designs and shapes. And uh, you'd buy it from a shop called Copper Art, uh, which it doesn't exist anymore. But these days, I mean, people are killing each other for copper because it's worth so much on the black market. People are stealing copper from everywhere. But we had these pictures of mountains and stuff like that made out of copper. My mum loved them up on the wall. Yeah, I had a friend that had a like a replica of the Endeavour that was out of copper. Um it was on the wall, and you're right, people go and flog copper because it's worth so much. Was it real copper though? I I think so, but it was worth nothing back then. It was one of the cheapest metals you can get. Whereas now it's sort of Yeah, I think it was real copper, but but it was considered a cheap metal. I remember the ads, I remember the copper art ads and flogging everything under the sun. What was uh what was a guy's name that used to I can't remember his name. Someone will remember. Yeah, I know. Let us know if you remember get drop us a line and let us know. Um souvenir spoon racks. Now that that was a practical thing to have in your house, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, oh yes, absolutely. That you never used any of them. That whole wooden display with tiny little silver plated spoons from you know I went to Coff's Harbour, so I need to buy a spoon, or I went to, you know, I went overseas, I went to Las Vegas, I need to buy a spoon, and then I'm gonna go. Yeah, and there'd be a little square at the top of the spoon, the handle, to tell you where it had come from. What was with that? What what was the point of that? Well, I understand a collection. I I really do. You know, like I'm not gonna ridicule anyone for collecting anything, you know, unless it's probably, you know, stuffed animals that, you know, just frequent rooms and rooms, a bit of taxidermy going on, because that's just freaky. But yeah, yeah, I don't know. The fact that you need to have the wooden display on the wall to show is that was that just a way of boasting to your friends that look I've been to the big pieces. This is where I've been to. I guess it was. It was a way of showing where you had been and and the travels that you had had by looking at the little tag on your spoons. I think that's what it was all about. Is that also because you really couldn't bring yourself to get the Super 8 video projector slides night to show Kaylee our trip, our trip to the big banana and say, Oh, look, yeah, we're we've been to the big banana and that's the talking point. Oh my goodness, the super eight, that's right. I thought the slide projector would have, and you'd have a slide night. Yep, yep. Yeah, slide nights, wow. Well, once or twice, yeah. We had slide nights, and we and people would come round and you'd bore them brainless with with the pictures of your holiday that you'd taken, and oh my goodness, yeah. A lot of people our age have probably still got boxes of slides. Yeah, I know they like by no sooner that people convert those slides into you know video than they had to move them from video to C D and then from C D to DVD. Yeah. And there's just that ongoing business model where I don't know. Now they're on USB. Well actually, no, they're in the cloud now. They're in the cloud now. Yeah. Um I know my Nan had like you'd walk out from the back door into the kitchen area, and she used to have coloured fly streamers that streamers used used to have them sometimes when you'd walk into a milk bar. Very Aussie. Yeah. Um that that just that kept things at bay, didn't it? You know, yeah. Yeah, there's actually a little milk bar near me that has the clear plastic, but they still have them hanging on the front door to keep the flies out. Yeah. Did they work? They must have worked. They must work. Yeah. Yeah. Away there in the wind and wondered why they just didn't put a door there. But I guess it was to help with a bit of breeze coming through the back as well. But also screens screen doors weren't a thing. If you remember growing up, screen doors were only if you were rich. We didn't have any screen doors. We just you just had the front door, which was usually orange. True. And you know, it wasn't till later we we got screen doors, so you were able to leave your front door open. Another good business model, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And uh my mother was a fan of the McCrame plant hanger. Bits hanging off it in Macrame and and tassels and all sorts of stuff, and you'd put your pot plant in and hang it off the off the balcony. Was there a day that people woke up and thought, hmm, yeah, not so good anymore? And what took over from the Macrame pot hanger? Because everyone had an indoor plant in a in a probably a copper art pot somewhere. That's right. Or them or the McCrame pot hanger. Yeah. Um where do we all wake up one day? Remember, we had fake plants were huge. Fake flowers and fake plants um were really big in the 70s and 80s because if you couldn't keep a you know a real one alive, you could have these fake ones in the house and they would look beautiful 24-7. You'd have to dust them and stuff, but they looked fantastic. You didn't have to replace them, you didn't have to buy new ones, you didn't have to keep them alive. Realistic. Realistic. Oh, very. Yeah. You can still get them today. I was going up to uh like a nursery, which large nursery in Sydney, and there is just a whole wall of all these fake plants here, you know, ferns and everything. I'm thinking, isn't that counterintuitive to you what you do as a business? You're selling plants, and for those people that have come in store to actually go and buy a plant, you can go and come with the fake stuff as well. Yeah, so you never go back to the store again. So you never have to go back there again. I'm thinking, who thought of this? Because it's not working for me. If I think of it, every other bugger's going to be thinking of it as well. So And every house had ashtrays throughout the house. Smoke came over. You had to be able to have a one of those, you know, clear glass ashtrays on the on the coffee table. It would sit on the coffee table and you'd bring it out for the the smokers that would come over. That just irks me thinking about it now when I Yeah, yeah, but it was what we did. And mum had a my other favourite fondue set. Every kitchen had a fondue set, and you could either do like cheese fondue or chocolate fondue or whatever you did with it, but that was very, very posh. Yeah, when the boss came over and you sat in the front lounge room. You would have the fondue party. Yeah. Party came out. Fondue party, that was before the keys into the b thing party. So I don't know what you're talking about, guy. No idea. No idea. Hey, you you you would have had a TV and it would have been in the wood panel sort of thing. And and people never stole your TV because you needed six people to lift it up because it was so so heavy. But how many times would mum or dad or a brother or a sister and you'd be fiddling with the rabbit's ears saying, hang on, hang on, stop yet? Nell, it's nearly right. Oh, hang on, no, go back to where you were before. I know, trying to get the the little rabbit ears aerial in just the right spot to pick up the TV signal. Mm-hmm. I remember that. Yeah. Dad would be on the roof as well, 'cause you'd have like trying to do the aerial on the roof, and you think, mmm trying to get it pointing towards the T V station tower. Yeah, and mum and mum would be yelling, yeah. No, no, go back and you think, oh my gosh, I need to get out. Any wonder kids would go out and play then because they couldn't put up with three hours of mum and dad just yelling at one another about the TV or TV, right. And we had the uh wall-mounted rotary phone. And most of us had an answering machine. Oh. The old cassette with an answering machine, and you could and people would leave you a message and you'd come home and play the messages back and see who had called you, and that was very fancy. When I was a young we got our first answering machine, I used to think that it would be a great like a great idea for back in the day, probably telecom to to actually give one to everyone. And even my mother said, Why would that be a good idea? I said, Well, think about it. If telecom gave everyone an answering machine for free and Kaylee wasn't at home, and Guy rang Kaylee, we'd leave a message. So that that counts as a phone call, your 20 cent phone call, because it connected to the answering machine. They double their income because Kaylee listens to her answering machine and calls you back. So you were ahead of your time. Well, I was ahead of something, but I if you couldn't afford an answering machine, you never knew who rang, so you never you never got connected, so they didn't make an income and they never called you back. So they could have doubled their money overnight, but oh gosh. Oh, okay. So you're a genius with these brilliant ideas. You know, one thing I didn't like about growing up that was in the house, quite a lot of houses we lived in, was the Venetian blinds that were what were they made out of? Because it felt like metal, but I think it was plastic. Didn't it? And it made noise like metal, and you could bend them. Do you remember those Venetian blinds? And they were so hard to keep clean. Yeah, of course they were. And kids would invariably want to run their fingers or something down there, and there was always a broken one or it was creased or I don't what were they? Was it aluminium? I don't know what it was. Yeah, I don't know what it was. It must have been like a very thin alum aluminium, but yeah, they made a big noise when you'd run the ruler down it or throw something at it. But yeah, impossible to keep clean. That was a great idea. Someone and yeah, we had them in our place. I yeah, and they were, you thought, oh, how do you, you know, I don't know. Do you have a bar at your place? No. Oh goodness me, no. No, we didn't have a bar yeah. We didn't either, but we had friends that had those big old browns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was usually had. I think again that was rich people. Yeah, the grain laminate home bar with the the faux leather sort of and and of course there'd be umpteen bottles of uh curikeo or a something. Benine or something. Benin. Now you're talking a bit of Brandovino. No, you're my girl. Dr. Linderman's where were you back then? Oh Dr. Linderman's. Oh, I can film more than just a podcast coming up after that. Oh my gosh. Plastic wrap lampshades. Did we talk about that? Like no. Yeah. Plastic wrap lampshade. What's that? Yeah, it used to be on like on shades. They were on there for a long time. And it they they used to turn like I think they were supposed to protect the lampshade. Um but because of the heat of the bulb, they used to crack and turn yellow and oh, it was you know gosh. You sure it wasn't just in your family they were putting plastic on the lampshades? I don't remember that. Could have been. I remember Dad kept the plastic on he had a uh he got a company car and it was a valiant regal back in the late 70s, and he kept the plastic on the back seats, and I and I thought, oh, why would you do that? I don't know. But I mean But once again, not not a good idea at the time. But something that not many people may remember, but I had a great aunt and when colour television came to Australia in was it late 74, early 75, something like that. Um I remember being very excited because my mother said, Oh, we're going around to Auntie Eva's place, she's got a colour television. And I thought, oh my gosh, because we didn't have a colour television there. I thought, how exciting! And we got there and she said, Oh, would you like to go and watch something on the on the new television? And did I just do my old lady voice thing? You did. I did, did I? And so we went into the lounge room and I thought, what's this thing on the front? It was the black and white television, but they had plastic. They'd put like they put a plastic screen around the screen, and it had like three colours. It was like a blue, uh a blue, a yellow, and a green strip of plastic over the front of the TV screen. And the blue was supposed to be the sky, and the yellow is supposed to be like skin colour, and green was supposed to be the But that was the colour TV. The colour colour TV was basically a piece of cellophane that went over the top of your TV screen. And did it work? No, it looked like you had like depending on where the picture was, people had blue heads and it was just it was just gold cellophane over the front of the store. It's green. And I thought, oh my gosh, no, it it's very funny. Didn't make sense. You know, we were talking before about the um the telephone. Do you remember there was a a unique piece of furniture where there was a telephone table and it was half table, half seat. And you'd have the phone on there, or you'd if you'd as well as the phone, you'd have your white pages or your and your yellow pages, and the phone would be sitting there as well. Mm-hmm. And and you'd go the phone would ring and there'd be a little seat in this table built in so you could sit and chat on the phone. And that was a piece of furniture. And it was usually in a very prominent place because the phone was always somewhere, usually somewhere in a high sort of you know high traffic area. High traffic area. So it was when you talk to your girlfriend when you're 15 or your boyfriend when you're 15. Everyone could listen. Everyone could listen. And yeah, and you'd you'd hope that their dad didn't pick up when you when you when you phone them because you know. Um but yes, I remember that piece of furniture. It was um Oh my goodness. Gosh, we could go on, couldn't we? I know. I want to leave you with this though. Yes. And it's a it's a little thing that my dad really wanted to get, and mum said, No, yeah, that's not a smart idea. And I think that was the catalyst for not having these sort of things in our house. But the lovely people at KTEL used to have the glass cutter that used to turn your empty beer bottles into glasses. And what? Yeah, it was a cutter, but basically it was just a big Stanley knife on a on a thing, and you'd cut the brown beer bottles and you'd turn them upside down and put the neck underneath with the glue, so you would make glasses out of them. Oh my gosh. Yes, you your family was just weird. Well, mum mum mum vetoed it. She said, No, that's ridiculous. I've never heard of that. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna I'm gonna find that. I'm gonna post it on our Facebook page in case anyone wants to have a look at it. Yeah, okay, we'll do it. I'm gonna go. Well, I'm going back to my fondue set and I'll talk to you soon. I'll speak you later. Ciao. Bye. 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